Judging Interest for LOW flexible front spoiler Options

[Mikey914]

I don't know about the old ones. The idea we have is for the new ones to have an option to upgrade the brake cooling at a later point.

The mounting for the rubber, was typically done via a nut and bolt, If I can fabricate Zus backing plates that wouldn't be required to be part of the fiberglass, That could be an option. The idea was that I would provide the rubber, but your looking at about $38 for the rubber alone. A good part is the tooling and how many pieces I can sell. I would certianally be willing to sell the rubber alone. I have heard stories about guys using plastic edging from Home depot, it may physically occupy the same space, but will not absorb impact as well as rubber.

The new rubber will be able to be mounted in the old units as the dimmensions will be almost identical.

[ottox914]

I'd be TOTALLY in for one with dzus attachments for the rubber- perfect for the weekend autocrosser, and an easy swap for fresh rubber should you mangle up the piece that is on the car. I think I'd like to see one with the oil cooler cut out as well before I make up my mind. My car, with a rear monunted oil cooler and fan, would not NEED a front cut out, and the idea of keeping all that air out from under the car at an auto cross is appealing to me...

Keep us posted on progress, options, and prototypes!

-ottox914

[EdwardBlume]

Ii can't wait. Make mine with the Zus fasteners. How about a cutout for a front mounted oilcooler? Like the 914GT valance?
Thanks
Van

That's exactly what I'm looking for too...

-Josh2

This is what I am looking for too...

My old AX car had the same airdam Dzus fastened to the bumper 3x across the front, and two on the body from the sides. It was great.

My new AX car has a FG bumper though, so Dzus fastening it may not work or be a good idea....

[blitZ]

Can you post the height of the air dam? This might relieve concerns for owners of lowered cars.

[Elliot Cannon]

I added this to my car a few years ago and noticed a slight increase in oil temps. It is about 5 inches high in the middle where the notch is and about 4 1/2 on the sides. It scrapes a LOT. Most driveways are taken at an angle. If you go any lower, it would be a good idea to have the lower part easily removable. You would also need to keep a watch on oil and ch temps. It's great to have people making new products for these old cars. I painted mine with truck bed liner but I think a lttle helicopter tape would have protected it and looked better.
Cheers, Elliot

[jhadler]

I added this to my car a few years ago and noticed a slight increase in oil temps.

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You would also need to keep a watch on oil and ch temps.

Yeah, it's true, a lower spoiler can impact temps. The lower spoiler will prevent air from getting under the car. This is good for handling. But less air under the car means less turbulence under the motor to draw away heated air. I think oil temps would suffer more than CHT would (if at all). Either way, that's why I'm looking for an oil cooler port in this spoiler to get air to a front mounted cooler.

-Josh2

[Mikey914]

Ok, I finnaly got the tally and it looks like there are about 20 of you that are interested in these. The problem I have been battling is that there is allot of variation.

Where I'm at on this right now, is that the tooling for the fiberglass and rubber will exceed any potential profits from the units until we're looking at about 4x what we are looking at making.

At this point I'm afraid that I can not fund the additional tooling that would be required to produce these. I have several other projects that are in the developement cycle that will require some of the cash necessary to make these.

At this time I will not be proceeding with the tooling for the rubber.

I can make it if we could come up with about 50 people that need it (which is where I though we would wind up).

If anyone else wants one of these as shown, I can add you in. PM me and let me know, as he can easily add in while in production.

I really had to look at this throughly and as much as I would like to bankroll these, there just isn't enough demand to make these work out for a long time.

I apoligize for getting everyone's hopes up on these, it has been a hard decision to pull the plug, especially after paying for some of the tooling already, but I will have to cut my losses now on these.

I want to thank James for the many hours he has spent on these too.

Sincerely,

Mark

[RoadGlue]

Makes sense Mark! It seems like there's often a lot of excitement about these types of products and in the end it just wastes your time and money (in this case) when people don't step up to the plate and commit.

I committed and now I'm bummed that we can't get enough members to come forward.

I'd be willing to pay up to $200 for the basic unit with the dam and rubber. Maybe you could come up with a smaller batch if you raise the price. Maybe not.

I really appreciate the time and energy you've put into this.

You're awesome,

[RoadGlue]

One more thought - you could try selling people an extra rubber piece right from the get go as it's one of those items that will most certainly wear out.

[Mikey914]

Makes sense Mark! It seems like there's often a lot of excitement about these types of products and in the end it just wastes your time and money (in this case) when people don't step up to the plate and commit.

I committed and now I'm bummed that we can't get enough members to come forward.

I'd be willing to pay up to $200 for the basic unit with the dam and rubber. Maybe you could come up with a smaller batch if you raise the price. Maybe not.

I really appreciate the time and energy you've put into this.

You're awesome,

You hit the nail on the head. There were a few of you that are commited to these, and really want them. But when it came down to it, we really missed the mark on our guestimation of the demand. We tried looking at more options witht he idea that it would lead to more demand to cover the tooling for the rubber, but it would require more fiberglass tooling, which made it less than a wash at this level.
Thanks again,

Mark

[VaccaRabite]

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I guess I could take one of the prototype spoilers and use garage weather striping. But, yeah, I'm a little bummed.

Zach

[Richard Casto]

Sorry it didn't work out. If you start this up again just PM me and I will commit the second time as well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[arvcube]

bummed as well. was really looking forward to putting it on.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I'd be up for payin' a little more too..
i guess i could do the same as zach...

[jsayre914]

so lets reason with the idea,

if the goal is 50 at about 145 each. The target price is $7250.00

if everyone was willing to pay 200$ ea, we have 20 commited = 4000.00

does that mean if we find 16 more people to commit, and we up the price to 200$ We get it???
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it never hurts to ask. Lets start the 200.00 thread and find minimum 36 people
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[jhadler]

I'm sorry the project was tabled. I know I'm one those picky "want all the options" people. But without actually seeing what it'll be like, it's hard to buy it sight-unseen.

Brake ducts, oil cooler, and (hopefully) Dzus fasteners. That's a product I'd happily buy.

-Josh2

[Mikey914]

Right now. I do have another option I'm playing with, but there is some change to the design that some may like better, and some will not like.

I need to make it and test it, if it works I'll offer it up. But, I need to work out some details. I'll post more when I can.
-Mark

As far as pricing, I appreciate those that are willing to pony up some more $.
I'm still trying to keep this as clsoe to budget as possible.

[Mikey914]

so lets reason with the idea,

if the goal is 50 at about 145 each. The target price is $7250.00

if everyone was willing to pay 200$ ea, we have 20 commited = 4000.00

does that mean if we find 16 more people to commit, and we up the price to 200$ We get it???
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it never hurts to ask. Lets start the 200.00 thread and find minimum 36 people
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The problem is the 50 just starts to pay back tooling and min runs on materials. I'm looking at trying to reduce the cost so that we don't need as many at a lower price. I do appreciate all the support, I'm still trying to see what i can do.

[Mikey914]

I do have 3 of these that are sitting on my shelf and a comitment for another 7. I'll make these available for the world members at $110 each + shipping. Let me know if you you want one. Thses are the fiberglass only. I do have some 1/4" rubber strips that could be cut down to mount at a height you determine, they're 6" by a little over the width of the dam. $25 each. Just let me know.

Thanks

[VaccaRabite]

I want one, but you already knew that.

[MDG]

I'll take one please.