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| Joe Bob |
 Mar 4 2009, 08:21 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times  Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None  |
Ummmm with Ahhhndy, 371.....so instead of handgrenades....missiles....
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| TedK |
Mar 4 2009, 08:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 163 Joined: 1-August 07 From: Thousand Oaks, CA Member No.: 7,961 |
Well, for whats its worth, I would definately be in for contributing to the research to figure out a way to produce factory-like results. I have not looked lately, but I think mine looks alot like the one in Mike Z's picture. As my car will be undergoing a full resto(as soon as we finish the new garage), I would certainly like to have the option of a quality replacement label.
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| number6 |
Mar 4 2009, 09:10 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 14-September 08 From: portland, or Member No.: 9,546 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(brer @ Mar 3 2009, 09:22 PM)  Laser cutter would be my approach to the holes. This was my initial thought as well, but I'm not sure how one would go about preventing the singe marks around the cut-away edges... TC, so sorry to hear about your heartache. Perhaps this will turn out to be a blessing in disguise, if you can perfectly replicate the original sticker. Personally, I've never liked the masked-off-for-painting end result, especially on a car where everything else is perfect - the overspray/paint thickness difference becomes such an eyesore, and you see it every time you open your door! Until this thread, I didn't realize it was a crime to remove the sticker, but now that I think about it, I see the logic, though I doubt any law enforcement agency would enforce the law. With vintage vehicles that have been restored and passed between owners, how would anyone go about proving that YOU were the one to remove the sticker? Question for everyone: Has anyone successfully been able to remove the sticker for re-application after painting? Heat gun tricks? Chemical adhesive release that doesn't do damage to the sticker itself? There's gotta be a way! |
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| Lavanaut |
Mar 4 2009, 09:15 PM
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Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Bend, OR Member No.: 6,265 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Anyone else notice that the '7' used in the date is different from the '7' in the VIN? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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| Joe Bob |
Mar 4 2009, 09:18 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Looks the same to me....
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| number6 |
Mar 4 2009, 09:24 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 14-September 08 From: portland, or Member No.: 9,546 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Lavanaut @ Mar 4 2009, 07:15 PM) Anyone else notice that the '7' used in the date is different from the '7' in the VIN? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Good eye! Looks like we need a photo database of the varying type designs and exact measurements for proper reproduction... |
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| Lavanaut |
Mar 4 2009, 09:34 PM
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Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Bend, OR Member No.: 6,265 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(mikez @ Mar 4 2009, 07:18 PM) Looks the same to me....  |
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| Joe Bob |
Mar 4 2009, 10:02 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
There ya go proving me wrong.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I see that the 914/4 VIN has the same differences. Wonder why, were VINs assigned at the beginning at Karmann or at final assembly? |
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| MDG |
Mar 4 2009, 10:12 PM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,652 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
whatever reason they had for doing that they must have changed their minds by '73; here's a 914-4 VIN with the same style 7 used in the date and number (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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| carr914 |
Mar 5 2009, 08:46 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,084 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States  |
Lets help Wilhelm and the other Early 914 guys out as well. So the the 914-6 came with a sticker that says Porsche KG and the 914 says Volkswaganwerk AG - correct? AA doesn't sell the Volkswaganwerk silver sticker according to their catalog. MDG, since you are in the print business, is it possible to make a batch of those stickers (with the kiss-cuts). If the demand is there, I would be willing to fund this and offer them to members. T.C. |
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| carr914 |
Mar 5 2009, 08:47 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,084 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Andys 914-6 sticker
 Wilhelm 914 Sticker  Lets help Wilhelm and the other Early 914 guys out as well. So the the 914-6 came with a sticker that says Porsche KG and the 914 says Volkswaganwerk AG - correct? AA doesn't sell the Volkswaganwerk silver sticker according to their catalog. MDG, since you are in the print business, is it possible to make a batch of those stickers (with the kiss-cuts). If the demand is there, I would be willing to fund this and offer them to members. T.C. |
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| Joe Bob |
Mar 5 2009, 09:28 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Carefull.....the Krusty one warned you guys about screwing around with these stickers. Making them up and sending them across state lines could be a Federal rap.
I'd suggest that an admin send this thread to the sandbox where it has a little more protection from search engine web crawlers.... |
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| MDG |
Mar 5 2009, 09:56 AM
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Wolf in wolf's clothing. Group: Members Posts: 8,652 Joined: 3-February 09 From: Toronto Member No.: 10,018 Region Association: None |
MikeZ is 100% spot on;
T.C. I doubt you would have any problems with what you are trying to do. You have a well documented restoration underway on a well documented numbers matching vehicle. To fab up a replacement sticker to fix the bodyshop yob's error, I'd be gobsmacked if any type of court officer would give a crap - or even notice. By the letter of the law illegal? Maybe. But it's obvious you are not running a racket. BUT I'd be very cautious about creating from scratch new VIN stickers; this is where we start getting visits from the FBI and RCMP. The best effort here is to use the aftermarket labels available and recreate the look. High end woodworking suppliers have various small punches in the sizes needed to create both the circles and the perfed numbers. It would be tedious and may require a few attempts but no doubt you'll get what you want cheers, m. |
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| charliew |
Mar 5 2009, 10:05 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,363 Joined: 31-July 07 From: Crawford, TX. Member No.: 7,958 |
Are you guys sure that is a vin number sticker? Is'nt it just a safety standard sticker? The stamped numbers in the metal seem to me to be the real vin number id. Also the riveted tag on the front bulkhead. That is just like the stuff on vw's
If that sticker is the true vin sticker why would it be so easy to destroy? The stamped numbers on the inner fender well are the true id numbers that a inspector would use to compare the riveted tag to in my opinion. The sticker says what it is. It does not say it's a vehicle identification number. I would therefore like to have or make a new one. Sell them as safety sticker which is what they are. If we all say they are safety stickers that's what they are. |
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| carr914 |
Mar 5 2009, 10:14 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,084 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(carr914 @ Mar 5 2009, 09:47 AM) Andys 914-6 sticker Wilhelm 914 Sticker Lets help Wilhelm and the other Early 914 guys out as well. So the the 914-6 came with a sticker that says Porsche KG and the 914 says Volkswaganwerk AG - correct? AA doesn't sell the Volkswaganwerk silver sticker according to their catalog. MDG, since you are in the print business, is it possible to make a batch of those stickers (with the kiss-cuts). If the demand is there, I would be willing to fund this and offer them to members. T.C. QUOTE(mikez @ Mar 5 2009, 10:28 AM) Carefull.....the Krusty one warned you guys about screwing around with these stickers. Making them up and sending them across state lines could be a Federal rap. I'd suggest that an admin send this thread to the sandbox where it has a little more protection from search engine web crawlers.... QUOTE(MDG @ Mar 5 2009, 10:56 AM) MikeZ is 100% spot on; T.C. I doubt you would have any problems with what you are trying to do. You have a well documented restoration underway on a well documented numbers matching vehicle. To fab up a replacement sticker to fix the bodyshop yob's error, I'd be gobsmacked if any type of court officer would give a crap - or even notice. By the letter of the law illegal? Maybe. But it's obvious you are not running a racket. BUT I'd be very cautious about creating from scratch new VIN stickers; this is where we start getting visits from the FBI and RCMP. The best effort here is to use the aftermarket labels available and recreate the look. High end woodworking suppliers have various small punches in the sizes needed to create both the circles and the perfed numbers. It would be tedious and may require a few attempts but no doubt you'll get what you want cheers, m. Maybe a little misunderstood about my post. I was thinking about producing a run of stickers with Volkswaganwerk AG (with kiss-cuts) for the 914 guys like AA does with the other stickers. I would not be punching in the VIN #s T.C. |
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| carr914 |
Mar 5 2009, 10:18 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,084 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(charliew @ Mar 5 2009, 11:05 AM) Are you guys sure that is a vin number sticker or just a safety standard sticker? The stamped numbers in the metal seem to me to be the real vin number id. I'm thinking safety standard compliance sticker as well, because the Euro cars don't have this sticker. Every other number is stamped in metal. T.C. |
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| tod914 |
Mar 5 2009, 10:24 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
Do you guys know if the sticker is punched from the face or back for the anti-tamper circles? Maybe getting 26 of those punches and doing one row at a time might work.
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| charliew |
Mar 5 2009, 10:24 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,363 Joined: 31-July 07 From: Crawford, TX. Member No.: 7,958 |
I'm in for one or two if it comes to fruition. Except for the weight the same sticker is on the 72 super beetle as the 75 914 so maybe the developer could extend the customer base for the r&d expenses. It would be nice to have one with and one without the weights.
Actually the 72 beetle has slightly different wording (it looks like the 69 sticker) and doesn't have the weight posted. But the stickers are the same size with the same type of punched info. If someone were to make a set of dies that could be used to do the punching of the date and vin numbers they could rent it with a rebuild charge deposit if it gets damaged and maybe everyone could make new ones on repaints. Also I see where a black safety standard sticker is posted on a 73 with the weights and my 75 is silver with the weights, black and silver? If the black sticker is a copy it looks pretty good except for the color. The numbers are sure punched straight but it looks like no tamper proof imbossing. |
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| charliew |
Mar 5 2009, 11:23 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,363 Joined: 31-July 07 From: Crawford, TX. Member No.: 7,958 |
If the tamper proof circles are 5mm then could you make a die with 28 holes, skip the next offste row down and do the next in the skip a line pattern with 4 or 5 rows down. Then put a piece of dense rubber pad under it. Make a position jig bottom that you could move the top plate down one row and 1/2 hole to the side to do the other 1/2 set of embosses. the punch itself could be maybe the biopsy punch some one already mentioned or to keep from cutting out a hole a .002 hollow in the center of the punch to keep from going too deep.
After looking at the embossed holes they are touching so the holes in a row won't work. It would have to be every other hole which is getting more complicated. |
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