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post Mar 5 2009, 11:30 AM
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Tod, the circles are partially in cut from the front leaving the backer intact; once this is adhered to the vehicle the pressure applied to remove it would cause the circles to split and effectively destroy the label.

as I mentioned earlier, it's a simple and effective way to safeguard against tampering. No doubt when the idiot who removed the one from T.C.'s car it came off in bits.

As far as the legality of just printing the labels with the circles in I have no idea. Obviously someone is doing it because AA and others sell them. I would assume, from dealing with trademarks, copyrights and so on everyday there would be permission needed. The way both factories involved here go after identity infringement I would think twice about starting to run off materials without their consent. Big, horrible, massive lawsuits ensue. One of my competitors up here is in court due to unwittingly running fake product posters; the logo holder caught wind and both he and his customer are getting friendly with lawyers now

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post Mar 5 2009, 11:52 AM
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All lawyers do is encourage their pals in office to pass more laws that will garantee they will always have something to go to court over.
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post Mar 5 2009, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(charliew @ Mar 5 2009, 12:52 PM) *

All lawyers do is encourage their pals in office to pass more laws that will gaurantee they will always have something to go to court over.


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post Mar 5 2009, 12:09 PM
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Has anyone contacted the Porsche classic division? I wonder if there was enough demand they would do that.
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post Mar 10 2009, 02:26 PM
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Got my 1st two stickers dimpled ( a pain in the ass to do by hand)

Very tough to keep it dimples in a straight line and to judge how far to go into the sticker.

But I think once I get the VIN & Date # punched in, put it on the car, rub some oil & dirt on it to "age" it, I'll be OK

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post Mar 10 2009, 03:02 PM
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Here's the 2nd Sticker

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post Mar 10 2009, 04:01 PM
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Looks good T.C.. How about using a straight edge as a guide? A ruler might work. That way all your horizontals will be perfectly aligned.
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post Mar 10 2009, 04:03 PM
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T.C. the second one looks good!; careful when you peel the backer off in case any of the circles are loose. Once you press it onto the sill, it will lose some of the 'fresh' look to the impressions. As you say, rub your hand on it a bit; the oils will scuff it up enough that unless you point it out to people, no one will ever know.

That's as good as what I got

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post Mar 10 2009, 04:26 PM
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I bought a stricker from AA and punched the holes in it myself. If I have time I'll post a picture of it later.
Any how, I got a block of machined aluminum, some EFD 20GA glue dispensing needles. Measured out the hole pattern (spaces between numbers) from a good sticker. I then went to the milling machine and drilled a grid with my spacing. Then I sharpened my EFD needle and punched out the holes.
The diagonal line has different spacing than the numbers.
It's a black sticker and does not have the peel resistant perforations, but it looks good.
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post Mar 10 2009, 05:05 PM
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A member iswilling to make me a jig to punch the VIN & Date #. Since I don't have my Original Sticker, I'm still requesting assistance

Thanks, T.C.
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post Mar 10 2009, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Mar 10 2009, 07:05 PM) *

A member iswilling to make me a jig to punch the VIN & Date #. Since I don't have my Original Sticker, I'm still requesting assistance

Thanks, T.C.


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post Mar 10 2009, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(tod914 @ Mar 10 2009, 06:01 PM) *

Looks good T.C.. How about using a straight edge as a guide? A ruler might work. That way all your horizontals will be perfectly aligned.


Used a straight edge, but the lighting wasn't the greatest. It still will work for me - especially the 2nd sticker - just need the measurements for the Vin & date #s

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post Mar 10 2009, 07:40 PM
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That actually looks really good for having to do it by hand!
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post Mar 11 2009, 08:35 PM
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I'm needing exact measurements of the VIN & Date # WxHxL with dimensions between the 1mm holes so I can get the Jig made. Without my Original I'm out of luck (smg914's M-471 is Euro so no compliance sticker)

Please help a brother in need.

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post Mar 11 2009, 09:30 PM
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T.C., using my metric ruler I get:

Date: W=26.5mm x H=6.5mm

VIN: W=64.5mm x H=6.5mm

These measurements are from outside edge to outside edge of the dots. Sounds like you have the dots at 1mm each, so should be 1mm less on all measurements from outside center to outside center. The VIN measurement includes the bounding "#" symbols.

edit: Just saw you actually need more data. I measure the holes themselves at approximately 2/3 of a mm, with 6 dots spanning 'exactly' 6mm.

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post Mar 12 2009, 08:24 AM
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TC I have a 75 If it would help I will do the measurements in thousands and post them but if you have enough info I won't spend the time. It's rainy and cool today so a inside project is ok.
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post Mar 12 2009, 08:42 AM
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Charlie, I think Reid's info will work. If it doesn't, I'll put another post for help. Thanks for the offer.

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post Mar 12 2009, 08:44 AM
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I haven't measured it but if the holes are 2/3mm that space inbetween them seems to be more than that like maybe the 1mm Reid posted.

Ok I couldn't stand it I measured my 75 and also discovered a couple of variances. The 4 in my build date has the bottom hole missing and the beginning # symbol has a left beginning bottom horizontal line hole missing. I guess the punches got stuck.

Also posted above: The diagonal line has different spacing than the numbers.

On both the 914 and a 72 bug the 4 is different between the date and vin. The top left leg on the 914 date (11/74) has 3 holes down and the vin has 4 holes down. All the 7's are the same.

The measurements seem to be:
height of the char. .278-.280
width .172- .175
vin width 2.550- gap to rt edge .297- between the date and vin .420
date width .980- gap to rt edge .297- down from top .232- vin and bottom .320

This was with calipers holding over the tracing so it could be a little off but not much.

It's almost as if the safety stickers were hand punched.
I don't know if it will help but I did a pencil tracing on both stickers. I can mail them if you want.
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post Mar 12 2009, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(charliew @ Mar 12 2009, 07:44 AM) *

I haven't measured it but if the holes are 2/3mm that space inbetween them seems to be more than that like maybe the 1mm Reid posted.

No offense man, but if you're going to stand up and say that I'm wrong you might want to take a closer look at the numbers I posted. Also, as has already been noted in this thread the later stickers are different from the early ones, and the 4-cyl versions are different from the 6s...which is what T.C.'s got.

Reid

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post Mar 12 2009, 05:12 PM
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These seem to be correct for the 1970 printed tags. Can anyone confirm if this is the same for the punched tags and 914-6 tags?
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