Little confusion on my part surrounding "M-471", Paging Dr. 914 Options

[Gustl]

Althought I thought I knew what 'homologation' meant, I looked it up (Wolfgang you speak better English that I do! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif))

not really ... but homologation is the same word in english and german (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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[Gustl]

So what I'm taking away from all of this is, IF the rumors Wolfgang mentioned are true, "M471 GT" would be an appropriate designation for only those cars which Porsche used to meet the GT class homologation requirements. I would think that if one could prove that their car met this stringent definition it would undoubtedly affect the value of their car, and favorably. Otherwise, "M471" as it applies to a 914/6 should be referred to at most as "GT look" (somewhat similar to the wide body, 491 "turbo look" 911s).

I believe its possible all the 15 1971 M471 cars were initially intended to be racecars but many of them never made it that far. Since they were on the list they can certainly be considered Homologation GT's. Many of these cars were sold by dealers as "Street GT's" and thats accurate too because they did ended up as street cars.

personally, I would say that all Porsche 914-6 with the M-471 option (factory built !!!) belong to the same group
this would also include the factory built M-471 street cars that were built after the homologation process
I'm talking about a couple of MY'72 cars with the factory installed M-471 package (for example the well known car with the highest VIN 914.2.43.0260)

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[carr914]

So the Factory made 25 917s and lined them up for the Officials to see. Most of them were just shells and were made into real racecars later.

Not true, every one was complete, tested and drivable. From the date of the first inspection on March 20, 1969 when the C.S.I. inspector saw only 3 complete cars, and nixed the approval for April 1st, until April 19th when the 25th was completed, all stops were pulled to build the cars in the experimental assembly hall in Werk 1. The photo was taken April 21 at the time of the second inspection.

Questionable - According to Denis Jenkinson book Porsche Past & Present, Yes they had 25 cars with 4.5 litre engines in them lined up for inspection. "Whether they were all complete and ready to run was academic, as was the question of whether they were all sold or intended to be sold."

After the Homologation process, most of the 25 cars were dismantled and put in storage as back-up material. They would race a batch of 917s and then build and replace them with another batch. Bodywork changed as did engine displacement up to 5 litres. In all more than 60 917s and variants were made.

T.C.

[davep]

[Questionable - According to Denis Jenkinson book Porsche Past & Present, Yes they had 25 cars with 4.5 litre engines in them lined up for inspection. "Whether they were all complete and ready to run was academic, as was the question of whether they were all sold or intended to be sold."

My source was Excellence Was Expected. Deceptive practices by other manufacturers caused C.S.I. to accept nothing less than 25 complete, ready to race, 917's. That was done, the photos were taken, and the homologation was accepted for May 1. The problem was that little testing had been done, so the cars were still in a developmental process. The whole design & build process had been completed in an amazingly short period. However the cars needed a lot of development yet, which meant a lot of revisions, thus the cars were dismantled to make the revisions. The long and short of it was, any car in the line could have been raced that day.

[IronHillRestorations]

I'm talking about a couple of MY'72 cars with the factory installed M-471 package (for example the well known car with the highest VIN 914.2.43.0260)

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There are later VIN's than the '72 #260, including a 914-6 that was build in '75 IIRC, as it did have the later style bumpers.

There was some book cooking for to get the homologation numbers.

[Gustl]

There are later VIN's than the '72 #260, including a 914-6 that was build in '75 IIRC, as it did have the later style bumpers.

you're talkin plural ??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

there is exactly one car known - but nobody knows the VIN ...
it might be a 914-4 VIN with 914-6 components, who knows (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
anyhow, that's a one off, built on special demand by a customer with lots of money

what other 914-6 do you know with a higher VIN than 914.2.43.0260 ???

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[SirAndy]

what other 914-6 do you know with a higher VIN than 914.2.43.0260 ???

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