WOW, my "solid" car aint so solid, but now it is solid!, It is off jack stands!!! Options

[wayne1234]

I'm gonna save her, i got all the bad out on the Hell hole and long and top of the motor mount. its all squared off. and it needs a little more finesse, then I can make my templates. I have been a little lazy to post pics.

[highways]

It's good you're motivated to save her. There are alot of other things though that you could also consider diving into though to really make the car nice again. Dropping the engine with 2 jacks and the wheels off isn't hard at all (pelicanparts has the how to article). Then you could start doing stuff like getting the engine tin and other parts powder coated all nice. Get all the bolts and hardware zinc plated. Make room so you can really go to town attacking one rust area after another. You have alot of welding ahead of you to make that car right. MIG welder with variable wire speed and variable voltage, at the low settings, is really the only way to go. I did some hell hole repairs, and suspension console replacement on mine. Then I rebuilt all the suspension (all the original rubber bushings will be compressed and shot). Got some rebuilt brake calipers from Eric Shay- you don't want to be driving with 35 year old brakes. 5 lug upgrade parts from various world members. Now I have a solid car and completely rebuilt suspension. Popped the original engine back in with 115k miles and the car runs great as my daily driver. Haven't done paint yet... but I'll get to it. I've put about $4500 into it and spent about 9 months doing it at a pretty leasurely pace. Could've done it a little cheaper if I wasn't replacing mirrors, glass, various details here and there and ofcourse the 5 lug upgrade. But it's worth it.

Judging by your rust situation, you're going to want to examine the suspension console ears, longitudinals behind the rocker panels, jack points, interior floor boards (scrapping out the tar), seat mount brackets, clutch tube firewall bracket, ect. Like some other members said... your rust situation looks heavy. Good rule of thumb is that for every bit of rust you can see... there's 60% more hidden under the paint extending out from what you see. Getting the car apart is the only way to truly evaluate what you're up against and decide if you should shop for a rust free tub instead. Your car probably has nice parts... use them on a solid tub!

Here's a portion of my project: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...54896&st=40

If I was doing it again... I would pay to get the whole thing walnut shell blasted and start fresh. And I wouldn't mess with a tub that's much rustier than mine was.

[veltror]

Soda blast it rather then walnut shells, much less damage... glad you are saving it, you should see the state of mine and I am saving it...

[charliew]

When a unibody car has a lot of rust that is obvious there is always going to be rust in places you can't imagine. Inside the lower targabar, inside the rear quarters, inside the tops of the front fenders, on the backside of the door hinge pillars, around the door catch inside bracket, up around the door jamb vent, inside the doublewall firewall, on the inside bottom of the doors, there are so many places that are not obvious that are always rusty. Also just because new metal is put in place of the obvious spots the heat from the welding means that unless both sides are treated and sealed it will be back and won't take as long as it originally did as this time the metal was heated way more than the first time it was spot welded together and both side of the metal was coated. Actually a rust free tub may be a impossibility but one that requires singlewall repairs where both sides can be treated is a far better restore than building a complete tub.

[wayne1234]

Well I have decided to go the easier route and drop the engine.You guys are right, maybe someone has travled this path already. Ive almost got it out except I didnt have the spline drive needed to get the cv axles out. my engine mount is too far gone to save that is the reason for engine removal. I feel I could have fixed the hell hole with the engine in there. but all I have left are the cv axles and remove the carbs. and I only have a little over a hour in the removal so far. And I'm going to fix the oil leaks. and paint the tins as suggested. and make her nice. here are a couple of shots or the removed rusty areas. and check out what I dug out of my toolbox from like 8 years ago. it is a small sandblaster that recirculates the sand so very little mess. it only does about a nickle size spot at a time. spray for about 2-3 seconds then move on. it will help me get all the tiny rust out without making a huge mess. and it cant be worse than scraping out the tar which will come later. My old project, The chopper in the corner feels lonely.

[wayne1234]

here is the mini sand blaster and my bike

[wayne1234]

Progress (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_bump.gif) .. Well after the girlfriend got her newto her car the Porsche got banished from the garage.. and she sat under the car cover... recently a friend has been helping me and we have been working on the car 3-4 hours at a time a couple night a week, man it takes a while... finished getting the motor out.. removed the motor mount and guess what it was pretty flimsy under there, so we cut it out and made up some new metal doing a double layer just like the factory did.. got the mount back in and made a inner fender piece, that was a chore, turned out decent and it is totally strong. now just some more repair on the pan in between the firewall and the inner passenger compartment that 2" strip across the car . it too has some rot.. then I need to finish welding up what the PO had tried to replace .. which is only spot welded in a couple of spots...

[wayne1234]

what was left of the motor mount pics

[wayne1234]

oops a little big lets try this

[wayne1234]

[wayne1234]

with the inner fender well in (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
reminder of what it was

[wayne1234]

The girlfriends car that kicked the Porsche out of the way (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) temporally (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif)

[wayne1234]

Feels like I'm making some real progress. What do you guys think? Trying to keep my motivation up. I'm also looking for some input. Since I have the engine out I'm going to do a texture/ undercoat , should I go back to yellow in the compartment , Since it has the slope nose it obviously not a factory true "restoration" , but would it put people off if I ever go to sell (I Doubt I ever will) it if I leave it black like the PO has already painted? which also means the front trunk area, and the interior tub.....

[SirAndy]

Feels like I'm making some real progress. What do you guys think? Trying to keep my motivation up. I'm also looking for some input. Since I have the engine out I'm going to do a texture/ undercoat , should I go back to yellow in the compartment , Since it has the slope nose it obviously not a factory true "restoration" , but would it put people off if I ever go to sell (I Doubt I ever will) it if I leave it black like the PO has already painted? which also means the front trunk area, and the interior tub.....

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I'd go with yellow. In my experience, brighter colors make the engine bay look cleaner.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Andy

[Dave_Darling]

In my experience, lighter colors show the dirt a lot more than darker ones. Maybe grey or silver wouldn't, but yellow does.

Light colors really throw the light around, making it easier to see stuff.

--DD

[nomore9one4]

Wayne, is that the car that was in the classifieds here at the beginning of summer? If it was he said he just restored it(wtf). I passed on that car at the last minute. Repairs would have been beyond my abilities. Good thing for me on my last minute decision. Good luck with the repair.

[rick 918-S]

Wayne, is that the car that was in the classifieds here at the beginning of summer? If it was he said he just restored it(wtf). I passed on that car at the last minute. Repairs would have been beyond my abilities. Good thing for me on my last minute decision. Good luck with the repair.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I almost contacted the seller about that car too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) Glad to see your fixing it. Keep up the good work

[wayne1234]

WTF indeed,,,, Yep I bought it off a member on here this summer... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) he got rid of it when he got his 5K 911... It was fairly close to me and I got all excited,, and had looked at some of his "rebuild" pictures on here and his paint how to's... Talked to him a few times,,, and had convinced myself I was going to get a 914. I met him halfway and literally took less than 10 minutes looking at it.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) my mistake... but there is no going back in time and it is what it is. Ill eventually get her going again and the car will be solid then. I am thinking about getting another one that is more factory without the slope nose. or another crazy idea is to graft back on the fender fronts... havent decided. At first I really liked the slope nose. Now I envy the factory style... Since we already have 8 vehicles whats one more right? Actually the problem is the garage or lack there of... Thanks for the coments it hopefully will keep me motivated at the task at hand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[veltror]

Keep going, mine is/was bad and I am still with it, it will be worth it in the end.


Roman

[wayne1234]