Stuck in Gear, new trans stuck in 5th gear Options

[astronomerdave]

I just bought a newly rebuilt side shifter to upgrade my '72 tail shifter. Upon initial assembly of the shift linkage I had the trans in N, let the cabin shift lever find its place left-to-right (which was mostly upright), held it centered front-to-back, and tightened the bolt on the forked part under the shifter plate.

I shifted into R, backed out, then 1, and took it for a test drive. 1-2-3 no problem. But I couldn't find 4th gear; it looked like the shifter wasn't moving over far enough. So I figured it was just a simple shifter adjustment. Back in the garage I loosened the adjustment bolt, moved the shifter over a bit, and re-tightened.

Sitting stationary in the garage I checked R-1-2-3-4-5 and then it was stuck. I couldn't move it at all at that point. (I actually thought it was stuck in 4th but now that I look at it, it could be 5th.)

I removed the linkage and tried grabbing the little input shaft arm right on the trans but I cannot move it. There is a little bit of front-to-back play but not enough to change gears and no up-down movement.

The questions:

1) Should this be possible and how is this possible to get stuck in gear?

2) Can I remedy this at home?

The place I bought it offered to pay for shipping both ways so they'll take care of me if I have to do that. They suggested I first try to remove the two nuts securing the cover around the input shaft on the side and move some kind of fork in/out of some kind of detent. Not being a transmission guy I don't quite understand what I'm looking for. Plus, as I suspect, if the shift arm can't move whatever it is, how can I do this with my finger? I did remove this and pulled out the input shaft with its attached three-tanged arm, but not sure how to proceed now.

Thanks...

[Gint]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_bump.gif) because I have a trans that's in exactly the same situation.

[ClayPerrine]

The side shifter fork for the 4-5 gears is mis-adjusted. This is common in our transmissions after a number of years of wear on the intermediate plate. If you use the book setting of 3 MM, there is enough play in the shafts due to wear to allow the side shifter to pop out of the fork and end up in no man's land. Then it is jammed, and won't go back in to the fork without removal.

You can fix it temporarily by taking the side shifter console out, and using a screwdriver, pop the shift fork back in place. The reinstall the shifter console. But it will happen again.

The recommended fix is to lower the clearance to 2MM, as specified for the clearance for the R-2 shift rod. This will resolve it permanently.

I also recommend that you use a cut down trans case to adjust it, not that delrin POS jig... the delrin jig is sloppy, and you can't be sure you have things right unti it is in the car. With a cut down tranny case, you can mount everything, and install the side shifter console. The adjust everything to work right, checking as you go along.


Bottom line to fix it... you have to pull the gear stack and lower the clearance between the 2-3 shift rod, and the 4-5 shift rod to 2 MM.

Good Luck!

[jcd914]

It sounds like you need to drop it out and drain it and take it over to the SOCAL Dr.Evil Trans clinic this weekend and get the forks adjusted properly.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=1181332

Jim

[scrz914]

You can fix it temporarily by taking the side shifter console out, and using a screwdriver, pop the shift fork back in place.

Yep. You can wail on the shifter with a hammer, but it won't move. But if you take off the console, you can move it easily with a screwdriver.

But it will happen again.

That sucks. Like the author of this thread, I had my trans rebuilt. But when it jammed, I took the trans out. Then I got into repairing the hell hole, engine rebuild, etc. Now two years later, who knows if I can send it back. I'll try installing one more time and cross my fingers. Good thing I have a back up.

[astronomerdave]

here's a video of the movement I have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdJMAPAGJOw

[astronomerdave]

a few photos looking inside after removing shift console... tough to photograph. does any of this mean anything? I suspect I'll just take them up on their offer for replacement.

[r_towle]

In the bottom of the last picture you will see the teeth that the shift fork hook up to make the whole thing work.

From what I have seen its the rotation of those forks that causes the issue. There is a spacing specification between those forks and when its not done right, the shifter fork (the part you removed) gets stuck between gears.

The only way to fix it is to bring it back to the shop that rebuilt it and let then re-adjust the shifter forks.

Rich

[914outlaw]

Having the same issue and I'm to figure out to manually put it back in neutral. I removed the console and removed the shift finger. It looks a lot like the pictures below. I will try to upload my pictures tonight.
But I am not sure what to do next. I don't want to start poking around with a screw driver and mess anything up. I was able to move the car but it's still in gear cuz I can hear the engine turn over. Can I put in neutral or do I have to drop the engine?
Thanks in advance. Dave

a few photos looking inside after removing shift console... tough to photograph. does any of this mean anything? I suspect I'll just take them up on their offer for replacement.

[stugray]

Stupid question BUT -
There WAS fluid in there when you removed that cover right?

The side shifter fork for the 4-5 gears is mis-adjusted. This is common in our transmissions after a number of years of wear on the intermediate plate.

OR (He did say it just went through a rebuild) - Maybe they didnt tighten the shift fork lock down bolt after assembly.

[914outlaw]

Yes there was fluid. It all drained out after opening the console.

Stupid question BUT -
There WAS fluid in there when you removed that cover right?

The side shifter fork for the 4-5 gears is mis-adjusted. This is common in our transmissions after a number of years of wear on the intermediate plate.

OR (He did say it just went through a rebuild) - Maybe they didnt tighten the shift fork lock down bolt after assembly.

[914outlaw]

I guess I'll try prying the shift fork back into place. Question is. Should it go back easily or will it take some force? I don't mess it up by accident.

Yes there was fluid. It all drained out after opening the console.

Stupid question BUT -
There WAS fluid in there when you removed that cover right?

The side shifter fork for the 4-5 gears is mis-adjusted. This is common in our transmissions after a number of years of wear on the intermediate plate.

OR (He did say it just went through a rebuild) - Maybe they didnt tighten the shift fork lock down bolt after assembly.

[914outlaw]

No luck moving it into neutral. Anyone know how to put it in neutral manually?

I guess I'll try prying the shift fork back into place. Question is. Should it go back easily or will it take some force? I don't mess it up by accident.

Yes there was fluid. It all drained out after opening the console.

Stupid question BUT -
There WAS fluid in there when you removed that cover right?

The side shifter fork for the 4-5 gears is mis-adjusted. This is common in our transmissions after a number of years of wear on the intermediate plate.

OR (He did say it just went through a rebuild) - Maybe they didnt tighten the shift fork lock down bolt after assembly.

[914outlaw]

Here are the pictures of what mine looks like. Anyone know how to put it in neutral manually?

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i12.photobucket.com-11800-1479948869.1.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i12.photobucket.com-11800-1479948869.2.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i12.photobucket.com-11800-1479948869.3.jpg)

[stugray]

Slide the brass shift fork (top center of first photo) to the left.
It will be in neutral when you can see equal parts of that shiny horizontal "shield-shaped" thing mid picture on either side of the shift fork.