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PatrickB
post Jul 4 2018, 04:30 AM
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Here goes nothin....
Been planning this for a while, but it was supposed to be a winter project. Wasn't quite ready yet. KEP adaptor parts have been sitting here. Timeline moved up because of a failure.
Had a chirp that turned into a BAD miss, valve seat issue on one cylinder.Attached Image

Had a fresh 1.9 AAZ diesel sitting in my storage trailer that had never been fired. (honed, rings, bearings, injection pump reseal). "new" engine was destined for my daily beater . Same engine in the beater is getting a little tired, I've put at least 350,000 km on it and the compression is getting down. Still runs okay though. Swapped the "new" engine into the beater. 16 year old son is learning...Attached Image
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post Jul 5 2018, 04:34 AM
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Using the 901 trans. The engine I'm using is an older mechanical injection AAZ.I don't think I'll get more than 150 horse out of it as it sits. Fuelling is up, timing is advanced, and if I can figure out a nice way to fool the wastegate the boost will be up. Wastegate isn't adjustable. IF I remember correctly engine will turn about 2800 at 60 mph. Online calculator tells me it was turning 2641 at 100 kph in the Jettta. Close enough. We autocross the car, gearing should be fine, especially since I put on a bigger turbo that's going to be a little slower to spool. Old school diesel stuff. The bigger turbo didn't start making good boost until at least 2600 or 2800 on the slightly smaller 1.6 I took it off. The K14 I took off stared at about 1400 and made good boost by 2000 but is much more limited higher up, very restrictive onte h exhaust side and won't flow nearly as well. Moves less air at the same boost as the bigger turbo does.
It will for sure have a fair amount more torque, especially when the turbo is coming on hard. I don't think it will be enough more to be an issue. If it is.... I have 2 more 901 side shift transmissions under the bench!
The 901 looks a lot bigger to me than the 020 in the Jetta, and I've only ever broke one of those in 20 years or so of daily driving. Engine has enough torque that we had tires breaking loose halfway through second gear when we autocrossed it once last year (914 was down for wheel bearings).

I do want to figure out how to get a higher gear in 5th, maybe 4th too. First thought was go see DR Evil. Maybe a taller ring and pinion and bring all the gears up? Someday...
Swapping out the trans for the stuff you guys are talking about might happen eventually but not this year.


Besides... I'm CHEAP! Aim is to do this for less than 500 bucks other than the KEP adaptor. The only out of pocket other than that so far is the starter. Bought 2 high torque starters for 80 bucks for the pair from another guy that gave up on his swapping. the other expense will be the cooling. Also trying to figure out an easy way to put heat in the car, mostly for drying out windows on wet mornings. Going to tear apart one of my mark2 Jetta parts cars to see if I can use a complete heater box. Open to other options too. Probably a later date thing, not now.

I like to keep my projects within a family of parts.... Early ones included a Pontiac Astre with a 3.8 Buick (all GM) 82 firebird with a 400 small black (all GM). Various engines in various old chevy pickups. Only exception to that rule was a 354 perkins in a 4 door 3/4 ton chev pickup. I figure VW in a Porsche is all in the family.


Next auto cross is july 22, don't think I'm going to make it.
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QUOTE(PatrickB @ Jul 5 2018, 03:34 AM) *
Maybe a taller ring and pinion and bring all the gears up? Someday...
Besides... I'm CHEAP!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! A new ring and pinion and CHEAP do not go anywhere near each other. The only alternate R&Ps that I am aware of for the 914-based boxes are from the Sporto cars, or custom-made. I'll give you three guesses how cheap those are, and the first two don't count...

The CHEAP way to make your gearing taller is bigger wheels and tires. Get some 18s with 50- or 60-series tires on them and that should drop the revs everywhere. The speedo will be off at that point, though.

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post Jul 17 2018, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jul 17 2018, 02:35 PM) *

QUOTE(PatrickB @ Jul 5 2018, 03:34 AM) *
Maybe a taller ring and pinion and bring all the gears up? Someday...
Besides... I'm CHEAP!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! A new ring and pinion and CHEAP do not go anywhere near each other. The only alternate R&Ps that I am aware of for the 914-based boxes are from the Sporto cars, or custom-made. I'll give you three guesses how cheap those are, and the first two don't count...

The CHEAP way to make your gearing taller is bigger wheels and tires. Get some 18s with 50- or 60-series tires on them and that should drop the revs everywhere. The speedo will be off at that point, though.

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Not much room for taller tires, those are 16" Ronals with 225/55R 16's on the back. Pretty much fills the wheelwell and puts about an 8" wide patch on the road
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PatrickB   914 Diesel build....   Jul 4 2018, 04:30 AM
PatrickB   Plan is to build the car with the more tired engin...   Jul 4 2018, 04:38 AM
PatrickB   BTW I may have a complete 2L engine for sale at so...   Jul 4 2018, 04:42 AM
mb911   That will be very cool..   Jul 4 2018, 05:42 AM
914forme   As a diesel owner :headbanger: A couple of peop...   Jul 4 2018, 07:22 AM
PatrickB   As a diesel owner :headbanger: A couple of peo...   Jul 4 2018, 07:37 AM
Porschef   Extremely cool. Having had an ALH Golf for some ti...   Jul 4 2018, 07:43 AM
914forme   The 914 converted with an ALH did about 60+ MPG, i...   Jul 4 2018, 08:03 AM
Porschef   Should have keep that engine, found a FWD Passa...   Jul 4 2018, 08:17 AM
PatrickB   Car was previously owned by a body shop owner, onl...   Jul 4 2018, 08:40 AM
poorsche914   Subscribed :) I have wanted to do a TDI conversi...   Jul 4 2018, 08:52 AM
Porschef   ... Wow, never seen that. Kinda like 914 meets...   Jul 4 2018, 09:07 AM
PatrickB   Good eye. Ford probe bumpers grafted on, then bo...   Jul 4 2018, 09:16 AM
Porschef   Which now really makes it a perfect candidate for ...   Jul 4 2018, 09:35 AM
PatrickB   Anyone know if this one ever got finished? PM had ...   Jul 4 2018, 12:02 PM
914-d   One of my project is a 914 diesel...here are a few...   Jul 4 2018, 10:20 AM
JRust   Hey that body work was done tastefully. All the qu...   Jul 4 2018, 10:22 AM
914forme   Yes I think it got done, have not talked with him ...   Jul 4 2018, 12:29 PM
Dave_Darling   I'm wondering about the gearbox... The gearin...   Jul 4 2018, 02:03 PM
porschetub   I'm wondering about the gearbox... The geari...   Jul 19 2018, 01:36 AM
PatrickB   I'm wondering about the gearbox... The gear...   Jul 19 2018, 03:30 AM
porschetub   [quote name='porschetub' post='2630615' date='Jul...   Aug 25 2018, 10:30 PM
PatrickB   [quote name='porschetub' post='2630615' date='Ju...   Aug 26 2018, 03:55 AM
Chris H.   Very unique bodywork. Looks well done. Wonder how...   Jul 4 2018, 03:21 PM
914-d   I'm wondering about the gearbox... The geari...   Jul 4 2018, 03:22 PM
914forme   What you need for these is an 6 speed out of a Aud...   Jul 4 2018, 03:45 PM
914-d   Might use that trans on the next one. I have a gu...   Jul 4 2018, 04:04 PM
914forme   I do the same thing but use a guy in England.   Jul 4 2018, 04:47 PM
PatrickB   Using the 901 trans. The engine I'm using is ...   Jul 5 2018, 04:34 AM
Dave_Darling   Maybe a taller ring and pinion and bring all the g...   Jul 17 2018, 12:35 PM
PatrickB   Maybe a taller ring and pinion and bring all the ...   Jul 17 2018, 03:43 PM
914forme   I used to Auto-x an A3 Jetta, loved that little ca...   Jul 5 2018, 08:49 AM
PatrickB   I used to Auto-x an A3 Jetta, loved that little c...   Jul 5 2018, 10:43 AM
PatrickB   How critical is it to have the crankshaft of the e...   Jul 17 2018, 03:58 AM
914forme   To answer your question if it was just the engine,...   Jul 17 2018, 06:34 AM
PatrickB   To answer your question if it was just the engine...   Jul 17 2018, 03:35 PM
Dr Evil   Very cool! Always wanted to see something like...   Jul 17 2018, 08:17 AM
PatrickB   Very cool! Always wanted to see something lik...   Jul 17 2018, 03:38 PM
Chris H.   Yes the Vanagon diesel oil pan allows you to turn ...   Jul 17 2018, 12:21 PM
914forme   To add off Dave's ideas, the Speedo fix is muc...   Jul 17 2018, 01:03 PM
Porschef   I don't know the gearing letters, but maybe a ...   Jul 17 2018, 01:47 PM
PatrickB   I don't know the gearing letters, but maybe a...   Jul 17 2018, 03:44 PM
Dave_Darling   I don't know the gearing letters, but maybe a...   Jul 17 2018, 10:29 PM
PatrickB   I don't know the gearing letters, but maybe ...   Jul 18 2018, 03:35 AM
Dr Evil   I don't know the gearing letters, but maybe ...   Jul 18 2018, 09:33 AM
PatrickB   [quote name='Dave_Darling' post='2630295' date='J...   Jul 19 2018, 03:25 AM
914forme   Can you give me a ballpark of what the revs will...   Jul 19 2018, 12:56 PM
PatrickB   Did a little more cutting.... can't get the en...   Jul 17 2018, 06:37 PM
PatrickB   need to clean up the cuts a little more, do some w...   Jul 17 2018, 06:50 PM
Porschef   Keep on keepin' on... :beer2: :beer2:   Jul 17 2018, 08:02 PM
Porschef   Ahhh, that explains it. Cool. :beer2:   Jul 18 2018, 10:43 AM
Dr Evil   I thought the little diesels like to rev high, tho...   Jul 19 2018, 01:26 PM
PatrickB   I thought the little diesels like to rev high, th...   Jul 19 2018, 02:30 PM
Dr Evil   I thought the little diesels like to rev high, t...   Jul 20 2018, 12:18 PM
PatrickB   [quote name='PatrickB' post='2630777' date='Jul 1...   Jul 20 2018, 12:47 PM
PatrickB   double post...   Jul 20 2018, 12:52 PM
Chris914n6   re:position... RH has trans blocks that move the ...   Jul 20 2018, 02:52 PM
Porschef   Is there a specific year group of the trannys that...   Jul 26 2018, 04:25 AM
PatrickB   Engine is mounted, working on trying to put a rad ...   Aug 6 2018, 01:31 PM
PatrickB   Open to thoughts from those that have done other s...   Aug 8 2018, 04:34 AM
914forme   What wall thickness is the crossbar? What I don...   Aug 8 2018, 06:51 AM
PatrickB   What wall thickness is the crossbar? What I don...   Aug 8 2018, 10:36 AM
PatrickB   Not the best picture but shows the construction of...   Aug 8 2018, 11:03 AM
Chris914n6   You need a drivers side engine mount. No doubt abo...   Aug 8 2018, 03:25 PM
PatrickB   You need a drivers side engine mount. No doubt ab...   Aug 9 2018, 05:22 AM
stownsen914   Agreed with reinforcing your crossbar where the no...   Aug 9 2018, 07:29 AM
PatrickB   Agreed with reinforcing your crossbar where the n...   Aug 9 2018, 09:45 AM
Rob-O   subscribed!   Aug 20 2018, 10:47 AM
PatrickB   subscribed! You were right, at least the ma...   Aug 25 2018, 05:12 PM
PatrickB   Honda rad installed. Lower rad hose from mk 2 jett...   Aug 20 2018, 01:59 PM
2mAn   I had visions of a watercooled VW motor install......   Aug 21 2018, 10:59 AM
914forme   :rotfl: Your not going with a trash can stack poki...   Aug 26 2018, 08:25 AM
PatrickB   Rad in, custom water outlet from back of head fo...   Sep 2 2018, 08:11 AM
tomeric914   The exhaust is straight up just until I get to t...   Sep 2 2018, 01:38 PM
914forme   The exhaust is straight up just until I get to ...   Sep 2 2018, 03:41 PM
PatrickB   [quote name='tomeric914' post='2644848' date='Sep...   Sep 2 2018, 06:54 PM
Porschef   No shit... Well would you look at THAT!! ...   Sep 2 2018, 08:56 AM
Rob-O   Nice!   Sep 2 2018, 11:39 AM
PatrickB   Nice! Lots to do yet.... Need some fuel line...   Sep 2 2018, 12:37 PM
Rob-O   [quote name='Rob-O' post='2644820' date='Sep...   Sep 2 2018, 03:20 PM
Porschef   Really impressed with the conversion, it seems to ...   Sep 3 2018, 06:07 AM
PatrickB   Really impressed with the conversion, it seems to...   Sep 3 2018, 05:16 PM
PatrickB   Road block.... Hooking fuel lines. No return line ...   Sep 4 2018, 06:52 PM
PatrickB   Had it fired up today but the injection pump ran o...   Sep 8 2018, 02:56 PM
Chris H.   Terrycable will make you one. I had one made a fo...   Sep 8 2018, 03:58 PM
PatrickB   Terrycable will make you one. I had one made a f...   Sep 8 2018, 04:17 PM
PatrickB   IT'S ALIVE!! https://youtu.be/6BwvBVN...   Sep 9 2018, 06:00 PM
Rob-O   Cool...but we need something longer than six secon...   Sep 9 2018, 06:18 PM
PatrickB   Cool...but we need something longer than six seco...   Sep 9 2018, 06:34 PM
914forme   I say rock the stack, just except it, and move on....   Sep 9 2018, 07:16 PM
Dave_Darling   For the throttle, perhaps you could take inspirati...   Sep 9 2018, 07:42 PM
PatrickB   For the throttle, perhaps you could take inspirat...   Sep 10 2018, 04:45 PM
PatrickB   Too much coal too.... Engine would already do that...   Sep 10 2018, 03:21 AM
PatrickB   Had it out for a drive for 20 minutes or so, got a...   Sep 11 2018, 06:37 PM
PatrickB   First time out at the autocross with the diesel. A...   Sep 15 2018, 04:06 PM
Dr Evil   First time out at the autocross with the diesel. ...   Sep 18 2018, 01:42 PM
PatrickB   First time out at the autocross with the diesel....   Sep 18 2018, 04:30 PM
914forme   lots of Civic Rads that are of "better" ...   Sep 18 2018, 06:57 PM
PatrickB   Got the tach working tonight with the help of an a...   Sep 19 2018, 06:40 PM
PatrickB   Should update this thread. Got the throttle cable,...   Jul 6 2019, 05:14 PM
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