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> 123 Distributor Group Buy Thread, Replacement for NLA stock Dizzy's-Order 15 % Discount
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post Oct 27 2017, 01:29 PM
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Just look at the comparison from stock, to Pertronix to the 123. The 123 signal is basically perfect. You should buy one!


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post Oct 27 2017, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(SKL1 @ Oct 27 2017, 12:11 PM) *

Just ordered the 4R- we are well beyond the number needed for 15% off, if you're on the fence, you ought to jump on!


I jumped off the fence, figured I should stay with my Megasquirt setup, it's already paid for. There would be a lot less cussing and possible AAA tows with the stock L-Jet and a 123ignition however. We'll see.
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post Oct 27 2017, 06:15 PM
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On the Djet models does anyone know how the 123 Dizzy hooks up to the trigger point wires? does it have the same plug as on an original dizzy or do you have to rig up jumper wires from the ECU harness to the 123 dizzy?

Rather not cut the plug off of the harness, in case I have to reinstall the original dizzy.
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post Oct 27 2017, 06:29 PM
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The 123 D jet set up will have to small wires that will plug into the pins on the plug that plugged into you old dizzy. Will show that in the install instructions that come with the dizzy.
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post Oct 27 2017, 06:30 PM
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FINALLY...someone brought this up. It needs to be addressed. Looks like it is just 3 wires coming out of the dizzy body and I am not aware of any available male terminals or housing that are an easy mate to the female terminals on the standard FI harness.

SOL. Best technical solution is to find a weatherproof 2 pole quick disconnect connector, male/female and mount it to the harness/dizzy. Wire cutting is involved. Not pretty but it will certainly function and be durable. I would also wrap any exposed wires from the dizzy in heat shrink tube (the dizzy should have had this from the factory).



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post Oct 27 2017, 06:33 PM
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My 123 dizzy for a D jet trigger points had the fittings on the end of the wires so they will plug into the harness plug, Plugged them in without any problems, been running in the car for over a year now without any problems.
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post Oct 27 2017, 06:40 PM
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So it comes with 2 male pins installed on the wires?
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post Oct 27 2017, 07:32 PM
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It sounds like it, unless Jim had someone else install it, and they did a mod? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

If concerned about going back to the original distributor on the side of the road, splice parallel wires and an additional connector for the 123 before hand, and the OEM connector will still be intact - ready for use if needed ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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post Oct 27 2017, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Oct 27 2017, 08:40 PM) *

So it comes with 2 male pins installed on the wires?


Yes they come with the male spade connector.
Hope that helps
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post Oct 27 2017, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Oct 27 2017, 05:30 PM) *

FINALLY...someone brought this up. It needs to be addressed. Looks like it is just 3 wires coming out of the dizzy body and I am not aware of any available male terminals or housing that are an easy mate to the female terminals on the standard FI harness.

SOL. Best technical solution is to find a weatherproof 2 pole quick disconnect connector, male/female and mount it to the harness/dizzy. Wire cutting is involved. Not pretty but it will certainly function and be durable. I would also wrap any exposed wires from the dizzy in heat shrink tube (the dizzy should have had this from the factory).



Can you get the grey somewhere Jeff?
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post Oct 27 2017, 10:28 PM
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post Oct 29 2017, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE(SKL1 @ Oct 24 2017, 04:50 PM) *

Anyone have the advance curve for the Bosch 050 distributor? Wonder if one of the preset curves on the 4R is close to that...

Think I'll order the 4R with 16 curve choices- don't figure I'm computer savvy enough to program the thing myself! Hell, I'm driving a 46 year old car!!


The 050 isn't even a curve. It is pretty linear, which gives you less of an advance bump at low RPM than most of the stock Bosh units. The 009 is also plotted here.


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post Oct 29 2017, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(SKL1 @ Oct 24 2017, 04:50 PM) *

Anyone have the advance curve for the Bosch 050 distributor? Wonder if one of the preset curves on the 4R is close to that...

Think I'll order the 4R with 16 curve choices- don't figure I'm computer savvy enough to program the thing myself! Hell, I'm driving a 46 year old car!!


The 050 isn't even a curve. It is pretty linear, which gives you less of an advance bump at low RPM than most of the stock Bosh units. The 009 is also plotted here.


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Are you sure rhose are the 914 part No distributor curves?
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post Oct 29 2017, 01:04 PM
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Found the manual. Think these are them.

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post Oct 29 2017, 02:47 PM
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Looks like these are for the 1.7.

039 part prefix is for the 2.0 from Brad Anders site.

Maybe they don't exist? Given the advance noted they should be able to be plotted.

The read on the retard function is interesting on over run and part load.
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post Oct 29 2017, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(914_teener @ Oct 29 2017, 10:53 AM) *

QUOTE(Morrie @ Oct 29 2017, 08:45 AM) *

QUOTE(SKL1 @ Oct 24 2017, 04:50 PM) *

Anyone have the advance curve for the Bosch 050 distributor? Wonder if one of the preset curves on the 4R is close to that...

Think I'll order the 4R with 16 curve choices- don't figure I'm computer savvy enough to program the thing myself! Hell, I'm driving a 46 year old car!!


The 050 isn't even a curve. It is pretty linear, which gives you less of an advance bump at low RPM than most of the stock Bosh units. The 009 is also plotted here.


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Are you sure rhose are the 914 part No distributor curves?


Those are not 914 Part numbers. Maybe I made the classic mistake of assuming that "050" was the aftermarket Bosh distributor often used in VW engines when "SKL1" asked. The "009" is also the Bosh part number of the common aftermarket distributor.

The "022" and "031" are OEM distributors for Porsche 912. The "0012" is a customized "009" that Benton Performance developed.

This was posted specifically in response to the "050" curve request. Apologies if I misunderstood.
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post Oct 29 2017, 07:12 PM
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Thanks for info Morrie- that should help with selecting which of the 16 curves I'll use when I get the 4R.
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post Oct 29 2017, 07:24 PM
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That DM-031 curve looks much more like something my engine would appreciate over the 050 curve.
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post Oct 29 2017, 08:32 PM
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Thanks for putting the group buy together. Just ordered. I was about to go through my 2.0 djet dizzy. Having this and eliminating points/pertronix, trigger points, vacuum port, advance plate and braided wire maintenance, nice and new... Is going to eliminate a lot of potential headaches!
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post Oct 30 2017, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(914_teener @ Oct 29 2017, 12:04 PM) *

Found the manual. Think these are them.


Those are the numbers I used for the table posted elsewhere. There are more of those in later in the manual for the 2.0 parts. They have a whole separate section for the 2.0 engine.

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