123 Distributor Group Buy Thread, Replacement for NLA stock Dizzy's-Order 15 % Discount Options

[DRPHIL914]

with hotspark module I have not adjusted points for 5 years, but I have had to clean and adjust the FI trigger points plate, I was lucky enough to have bought a NOS plate a few years back- my thing was seeing the consistency of the signal on that video - if the signal is clean and not jumping around the car has to run better I'm sure and knowing that eventually we just wont have good Fi points to use anymore, this seemed like a good time to do this.

[jkb944t]

I just ordered one for my 914-6 conversion with a 2.2L. I needed to rebuild the distributor anyway so hopefully this will be even better.

Jeff B

[BeatNavy]

Hey, mine's shipped already. Should have it by Friday evening, apparently. I now know what I'm doing Saturday morning... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

[DRPHIL914]

I didn't order mine until last week so I am not sure when it will or if it has shipped.

[914_teener]

Tracking number says tomorrow.

I.ll have an opportunity to put it in this weekend.

[Porschef]

Hey, mine's shipped already. Should have it by Friday evening, apparently. I now know what I'm doing Saturday morning... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

Nice, Rob. Yeah, your Sat. morning is booked. Please let all us fence sitters how it works for you. I'm gittin' tired of eatin' popcorn...


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Beer helps tho...

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[nditiz1]

Mine should be here today as well.

For you carb'd 2056 guys, what curve are you going with?

[Dave97]

Can someone document the installation of the bluetooth model? I'm a little confused. It looks like there are no pre-set tables, unlike the program models. Do I need to make my tables before I try to start the car? It would be nice to have a good starting point for both vacuum and centrifugal. Thanks in advance Dave

[914_teener]

It just rolled in.

Backed the car up so I can install it tomorrow. Got a new compressor as well. The HF one gave up the ghost.

The build quality is impressive. I think for sure though I am going to put some shrink wrap on the wires a a little strain relief

[914_teener]

I.ll be putting this in the perfectly running 1.7 D-jet motor and then changing it to a D-jet 2.0 when I'm done putting it together. I"ll have a spare stock distributor in the process.

We"ll see how this goes, should be fun.

[SKL1]

Not sure if mine has shipped but curious when you guys that got one go to install it if you have to modify the sheetmetal.
When I put the Mallory in my '73, it took a fair amount of "modification" for it to fit as its diameter was significantly more than the standard Bosch dizzy.

And to answer one question above- the bluetooth model has NO preset curves. You have to "make " your own. (got that info from Ed at 123)

[bigkensteele]

I talked to Ed today as well. He is very impressed with the turnout for this GB - around 30 so far!

He also confirmed that the GB applies to 6 cylinder models as well, so I need to make up my mind if I want to spend an extra $$$ for a programmable unit.

[Brett W]

I just installed one of these in a 1976 911 and am really impressed. Well built product. The Software is a little goofy and does weird things, but once you get used to it you can use it reasonably well. Although not directly related to the 123dizzy, it completely transformed this car. The original builder just capped the OE vacuum retard distributor and the car has driven like ass for 20 years according to the customer. The car is a incredibly easy to drive now. Finally a away to bring EFI levels of ignition tuning to a simple carbed install.

[BeatNavy]

Ok, I've got mine installed, but I'm doing something fundamentally wrong with regards to installation and/or timing on this thing.

First issue I ran into: the p/n on my dizzy was 022 905 205 F, which is stock for a 1970 1.7! I bought this engine sort of turn-key, so a) not sure how I ended up with that, and b) it could explain some of the minor, slightly annoying issues I've seen over time. Not sure why I never noticed that before, but the car does run strong (even if sometimes a little inconsistently).

The install itself was pretty straightforward, although the instructions (#8 through 12 for my D-Jet version) are a little confusing. I got the car to fire right up and idle, and all seemed well. I used my variable timing light to set it to max advance (22 at 2700 -- I used the "B" curve since my D-Jet parts (ECU/MPS) should be consistent with a '74 2.0).

Second issue on test drive: no power at all. Hmmm, timing too retarded? Now if I reset it back based on the timing light, I get more power but can't get the idle below 2400 RPM. Timing too advanced now? I've checked to make sure I didn't accidentally leave a major vacuum hose disconnected. Nope.

One thing about the install that's interesting: it seems, unless I'm mistaken, that you're #1 spark plug lead on the dizzy will (or could) change orientation. The firing order won't change, but the orientation of each can. This occurs when you pull the old dizzy with the engine set at TDC. So when you put the new dizzy in you have to line up the drive gear and also orient the body of the dizzy the way it makes sense based on wiring, vacuum hose connection, etc.

I probably will go through the install sequence again to see if it becomes clear what I'm doing wrong.

[BeatNavy]

Took it out, reinstalled, and now I'm not getting spark. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

I can't think of what could be wrong at this point. Very frustrating, as this should be easy...

[nditiz1]

Rob,

I noticed a strange thing as well. I set the motor to TDC and pulled the mallory unilite dist that was in it. The rotor pointed towards #3 cyl, but on the cap it was #1 spark plug. When I put the 123 in I couldn't figure out why the dist was going on all the way down. Finally I moved the shaft 180 and it slid all the way down. Like you said I guess it doesn't matter where the rotor is pointing as long as the plug wires are in the correct place on the top of the cap regarding firing order.

[914_teener]

Just installed mine....just now.

Almost ready to fire it up. This is on my 1.7 bone stock.

Working dizzy I took out is Bosch # 0 231 174 007 which os consistant with dip switch aetting No 1 per tje installation manual.

Assuming these things:

No difference between 21 and 22 for the trigger points...

No ground for pole 12 off the same so assume that the ecu sees a ground doesn.t matter. It will trigger fuel or it won.t .

I.ll post what I did and we.ll see if there are issues....I.ll post those too.

[914_teener]

At the moment what vacuum hooks up to the port....retard or advance?

[914_teener]

It fired up no problem.....I.ll post pics later and need to road test.

[BeatNavy]

It fired up no problem.....I.ll post pics later and need to road test.

Very cool, Rob. Mine fired up right away...the first time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

If you think you're good based on the road test, I'd love a description of how you handled those last few installation steps. They are not crystal clear (obviously translated into English), and maybe that's where I'm getting fouled up.

It's dark and pouring rain here right now, and won't be able to get back at it until the morning.