123 Distributor Group Buy Thread, Replacement for NLA stock Dizzy's-Order 15 % Discount Options

[Olympic 914]

On my engine the correct dizzy is a 009 so I will try #1 setting but also would try #2 and maybe #4

[BeatNavy]

I see what you're saying. And it makes sense. Since my dizzy wasn't stock, I wasn't sure what to select, but I think this is worth a try to see what happens.

It's actually running pretty strong right now except for the high idle and significant difficulty starting...

EDIT: Going to have to wait until daylight, and probably after work, before I can try this. It's going to require pulling the dizzy to reset the curve. Also, my throttle body is probably not stock to the engine, but it has both advance and retard.

[914_teener]

On my engine the correct dizzy is a 009 so I will try #1 setting but also would try #2 and maybe #4

If you are referring to me, I selected setting No. 1 as that corresponded to the Bosch part No. I had in the car. The engine I have now in the car is a 1.7 completely bone stock with a well sorted D.jet FI system.

If I were you I.d PM McMark to make siure per what motor, cam, induction, dizzy you now have and if it is running well.

I.d make sure of all of that first.

Rob

[914_teener]

I see what you're saying. And it makes sense. Since my dizzy wasn't stock, I wasn't sure what to select, but I think this is worth a try to see what happens.

It's actually running pretty strong right now except for the high idle and significant difficulty starting...

Rob, a leaking d.cel valve will give you high idle. Plug it fornnow and see what happens.

[Olympic 914]

I see what you're saying. And it makes sense. Since my dizzy wasn't stock, I wasn't sure what to select, but I think this is worth a try to see what happens.

It's actually running pretty strong right now except for the high idle and significant difficulty starting...

EDIT: Going to have to wait until daylight, and probably after work, before I can try this. It's going to require pulling the dizzy to reset the curve. Also, my throttle body is probably not stock to the engine, but it has both advance and retard.

My set-up is also kind of Frankensteined together, Running the 007 dizzy that came originally with my 1.7 engine. its now a 2056 with 2.0 FI system and the throttle body that has the two ports. I also have the two port can on the distributor and have both hoses connected. for Advance and Retard.

the plan on installing the new 123 dizzy will be to only connect the advance hose and plug the retard port on the throttle body. ( You did plug that, didn't you?) then play with the settings.

Isn't there a way to turn the switch with the dizzy installed?

[BeatNavy]

Success! (I think). I was going to try resetting the curve based on your suggestion tomorrow after work, but after the frustration this weekend, I said "screw it" and went out with a flashlight and managed to pull the dizzy and reset the curve to "2" in about 5 minutes (you get pretty good pulling and reinstalling after about the 4th time). Started much easier, ran strong, and idled steady around 1000 RPM. I probably still need to verify timing, but if I'm not yet at raped ape like Rob, I think I am at least at molested monkey (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .

Yes, do plug the retard port. I did do that as well. Based on the orientation of my dizzy I really can't access the program port without pulling the dizzy. You may want to keep that in mind when you set the orientation on yours.

All good!

[Olympic 914]

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[McMark]

I'm going to let it charge for a while longer and try again. It seems like my battery may not be up to snuff here.

Get a battery tester. I'm so glad I did. Shows you if your alternator is working right too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Dave97]

I'm getting the Bluetooth model. Can anyone post or send me a good starting point with both curves? I have a mild 2270 with Weber 44's. I need to program the unit to get it started and running. Thanks in advance pun intended Dave

[McMark]

0-1000 rpm = 12 degrees
3500-10000rpm = 28 degrees

The 'curve' is a straight line between 1000-3500rpm.

[Dave97]

Thanks Mark, and the vacuum advance curve?

[McMark]

Zero. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Dave97]

Hum, there seems to be 2 different thoughts here, vacuum or no vacuum. I thought people were now going to svda dirtributors to get better idle and gas mileage. Did I miss something?

[McMark]

Grab some dyno time. It's the only way to really be accurate.

[123ignitionusa]

Gentlemen
Just an FYI to all in the Group Buy.
As you know I was able to get a few units out to some of the early orders. My apologies to any that have not gotten theirs yet.
The deadline is coming up on the 10th of November and the balance of the order will be submitted on the 12th of November. Everything should be shipped out to you by the 22nd.
Thanks so much for all the kind remarks of appreciation via email. You are a great group of enthusiasts and I can tell you are dedicated mechanics as well.
Best Regards
Ed
www.123ignitionusa.com

[pete000]

Got mine today. Didn’t have time to open the box yet.

[Porschef]

So here we are, Nov. 10, and my arse is firmly planted atop the fence, still. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


What, please, is the overall consensus regarding this unit, I'd be much obliged to get a push from one side or the other as it's final day for the GB. My budget for such a frivolous purchase is virtually nonexistent; however, should this be something that will dramatically improve the overall running of the soon to be hibernating subject, maybe I can do/find/sell something to offset the cost.

Thanks in advance to y'all,

Joe

[BeatNavy]

Sorry, Joe, I just don't have enough "data" for you yet. Between work and the weather in the East this week (new season: "damp") I haven't had the opportunity to work out some of the kinks and see if I can optimize it. I just received a new coil, new plugs, and Clewett wires in the mail yesterday, and I'm planning on installing those this weekend. I still think I need to play with the right curve and the timing some more to get things to where they really need to be. If your system is stock or more "stock-ish" than mine it will probably be a quicker process.

Don't think this thing is a "game-changer" for us, but I'm optimistic that I can at least get more consistency in behavior/performance. At least that's my goal.

[914_teener]

Sorry, Joe, I just don't have enough "data" for you yet. Between work and the weather in the East this week (new season: "damp") I haven't had the opportunity to work out some of the kinks and see if I can optimize it. I just received a new coil, new plugs, and Clewett wires in the mail yesterday, and I'm planning on installing those this weekend. I still think I need to play with the right curve and the timing some more to get things to where they really need to be. If your system is stock or more "stock-ish" than mine it will probably be a quicker process.

Don't think this thing is a "game-changer" for us, but I'm optimistic that I can at least get more consistency in behavior/performance. At least that's my goal.

I'd agree with Rob in that it depends what your goals are. This weekend I'm going to try and take in on a longer drive just to be sure. But so far I am pleased with the purchase and performance. My goals were a little different in that I will need a distributor for another motor for later. I couldn't find a decent dizzy out there for sale. When I did, the price was outrageous for a total rusted piece of crap. I think that it is pretty cool and cost effective that I can use one dizzy for both displacements one current and future.

If you have a perfectly working stock dizzy then I wouldn't expect a huge difference in performance, although for me the idle stability issue is definitely better then before. I had no issues when I installed it. Mark is probably right in that the only way for sure to notice any difference would be to dyno it. I may do that just to see and feel the difference when I change motors.

So I guess my goals were driven from a cost perspective in that it outpriced the time and money of finding a decent stock dizzy. If you have lots of time to rebuild a stock dizzy and want to find a decent set of trigger points, vacuum canisters ect. then great. It will cost you more that $400 bucks and I like to spend my time driving the car.

For a motor that is running stock D-jet and if your never going to be in a concours show and like driving your car with a set and forget dizzy then this is pretty great solution.

My .05.

Edit:

Although I not in this situation, it would be interesting to get some feedback for those that don't have stock motor either as this should work as well.

[Porschef]

Interesting . I'm not running Djet, I've got an Ljet system. I think for those who've got the Djet that it's probably a more beneficial upgrade.

I'd like to be able to program the curve more specific to my engine...