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> GT Flare project thread, Shape of flare after it curves off top of fender?
john77
post Oct 1 2020, 04:04 PM
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Started the process of GT flaring my car this week.

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The plan is to weld all four flares on first, then widen the rears to fit 9s, and in the process strip the car panel by panel for a repaint.

The rear arches had been pulled at some point in the 90s to fit 7s, and I knew they'd gone to town with bondo to smooth the driver's side out because there was a crack. The picture below is a cross section cut through the arch once I removed it... that's 0.5 inches of bondo right there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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After making the initial rough cuts it dawned on me I'm probably going to need to remove the rear quarter oil tank to give me enough clearance to tig weld the flare on the front and back.

I can only see one bolt, inside the engine bay - is that the only thing holding the tank in place?

Also, dumb question, can I remove the tank without having to drain my engine oil first? I didn't think this far ahead and only changed my oil last month (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
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post Oct 1 2020, 05:14 PM
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If it's a factory 914-6 oil tank there's 3 mount points. Two M8 nuts towards the top and a large nut 21 mm I believe at the bottom fitting that the return line goes to.
You will have to drain the oil from the tank in order to remove it. No way around that.
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post Oct 1 2020, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(Luke M @ Oct 1 2020, 07:14 PM) *

If it's a factory 914-6 oil tank there's 3 mount points. Two M8 nuts towards the top and a large nut 21 mm I believe at the bottom fitting that the return line goes to.
You will have to drain the oil from the tank in order to remove it. No way around that.

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post Oct 1 2020, 05:38 PM
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Thanks Luke.

There aren't any markings on it, but I think it's a Patrick Motorsports tank.

I just noticed a second nut nearer the firewall that could be holding it in place too. I guess I'll just undo them when the time comes to weld the flare on and figure it out from there.

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I'm a bit of a dunce when it comes to engines. I always thought the oil drained out of the tank and just sat in the bottom of the engine when it wasn't running, hence I was wondering if I could just remove the tank without draining the engine. Now I know better (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)


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If it's a factory 914-6 oil tank there's 3 mount points. Two M8 nuts towards the top and a large nut 21 mm I believe at the bottom fitting that the return line goes to.
You will have to drain the oil from the tank in order to remove it. No way around that.
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post Oct 1 2020, 05:46 PM
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I'm not sure how the PMS tank mounts at the return line end. Yes, the two bolts that you marked need to be removed along with the filler neck, vent hose, oil filter/console (if it has one) suction line and return line.
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post Oct 2 2020, 04:18 AM
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Hi John, don't know if you have this for GT fender placement. It is in inches. MarkAttached Image
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post Oct 2 2020, 07:43 AM
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I don’t, this is perfect! Thanks Mark. Will be a lot more accurate than me eyeballing it.

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Hi John, don't know if you have this for GT fender placement. It is in inches. MarkAttached Image

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post Oct 2 2020, 07:54 AM
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And should be flush or flat on top. Best, MarkAttached Image
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post Oct 2 2020, 12:16 PM
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@mlindner am I measuring from the correct place?

With the flare rough fitted up to the fender I have it 6.25 from the door jamb but the other measurement, from the pinch weld to the front of the arch is also 6.25 inches.

Front flare measurement from door jamb

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post Oct 2 2020, 01:20 PM
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Front right is passenger
Right and left is always as if you are sitting in car.
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You’d think that, right? But after rough fitting, the flare marked “front right” only fits on the driver side.

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Front right is passenger
Right and left is always as if you are sitting in car.
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post Oct 2 2020, 05:18 PM
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What you going to use for rockers? Don't forget that is an important part of the mock up..
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QUOTE(john77 @ Oct 2 2020, 03:47 PM) *

You’d think that, right? But after rough fitting, the flare marked “front right” only fits on the driver side.

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 2 2020, 12:20 PM) *

Front right is passenger
Right and left is always as if you are sitting in car.



Well I know that but I can't speak to the flare being mislabeled.
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post Oct 2 2020, 05:59 PM
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@mepstein Sorry, wasn’t having a pop at you, I appreciate you chiming in. You’re probably right on the mislabelling. A little frustrating as the measurements didn’t seem to match up either. I’ll just have to triple check when I’m doing the rears.

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QUOTE(john77 @ Oct 2 2020, 03:47 PM) *

You’d think that, right? But after rough fitting, the flare marked “front right” only fits on the driver side.

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 2 2020, 12:20 PM) *

Front right is passenger
Right and left is always as if you are sitting in car.



Well I know that but I can't speak to the flare being mislabeled.

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QUOTE(john77 @ Oct 2 2020, 04:59 PM) *

@mepstein Sorry, wasn’t having a pop at you, I appreciate you chiming in. You’re probably right on the mislabelling. A little frustrating as the measurements didn’t seem to match up either but I got there in the end. I’ll just have to triple check when I’m doing the rears.

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QUOTE(john77 @ Oct 2 2020, 03:47 PM) *

You’d think that, right? But after rough fitting, the flare marked “front right” only fits on the driver side.

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 2 2020, 12:20 PM) *

Front right is passenger
Right and left is always as if you are sitting in car.



Well I know that but I can't speak to the flare being mislabeled.


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I was thinking that as I was cutting the fender (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)

Plan is to strip the rocker panels that came off the car, weld up the cracks and then make my own extensions. That way I can get the gaps right even if my flare welding leaves a little to be desired.


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What you going to use for rockers? Don't forget that is an important part of the mock up..

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QUOTE(john77 @ Oct 2 2020, 08:00 PM) *

QUOTE(john77 @ Oct 2 2020, 04:59 PM) *

@mepstein Sorry, wasn’t having a pop at you, I appreciate you chiming in. You’re probably right on the mislabelling. A little frustrating as the measurements didn’t seem to match up either but I got there in the end. I’ll just have to triple check when I’m doing the rears.

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QUOTE(john77 @ Oct 2 2020, 03:47 PM) *

You’d think that, right? But after rough fitting, the flare marked “front right” only fits on the driver side.

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 2 2020, 12:20 PM) *

Front right is passenger
Right and left is always as if you are sitting in car.



Well I know that but I can't speak to the flare being mislabeled.



All good. Just make sure before you weld. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Ben/MB911 makes some very nice rocker ends.



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John77, Ben (mb911) has already made the ends for you. They are pretty complex so you only need to weld them on to match the flares final position. Mepstein also has Bens flared rocker ends. Best, Mark
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Thanks Mark.

@mb911 , definitely want a set of these if they’re available Ben - I’ll pm you. [EDIT: Ignore that, found your website and ordered a set.]

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John77, Ben (mb911) has already made the ends for you. They are pretty complex so you only need to weld them on to match the flares final position. Mepstein also has Bens flared rocker ends. Best, Mark
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QUOTE(john77 @ Oct 4 2020, 11:11 AM) *

Thanks Mark.

@mb911 , definitely want a set of these if they’re available Ben - I’ll pm you. [EDIT: Ignore that, found your website and ordered a set.]

QUOTE(mlindner @ Oct 4 2020, 08:26 AM) *

John77, Ben (mb911) has already made the ends for you. They are pretty complex so you only need to weld them on to match the flares final position. Mepstein also has Bens flared rocker ends. Best, Mark



Good decision, worth the time saved even before factoring in the risk of messing it up.
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